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Friday, May 06, 2011

Miracle of Islam – Unchangeable Quran ??




The bottom-line agreed by ALL MUSLIM AND HINDU SCHOLARS is that ONLY THAT DIVINE BOOK SHOULD BE FOLLOWED WHICH IS UNCHANGEABLE.
This belief on unchangeable book as the only book of Allah or Ishwar is one point on which BOTH Islam and Hinduism agree. And this is so reasonable a criteria that any Theist would believe this to be true.
Hence rightfully, the most critical foundation of Islam is that they believe only in final and foolproof message of Allah. Since Allah is so benevolent and perfect, the acid test of a scripture being His message is whether it is unchangeable or not. It was on this pretext that followers of Islam justly rejected the message given to Moses, Dawood or Jesus. Since Quran is the only book known to Muslims as unchangeable book of God, they are perfectly justified in believing in Islam.
Now we should explore what other books are considered divine by Muslims. They now believe (refer works of Zakir Naik and Abdullah Tariq) that Vedas were also divine. And Quran is supposed to retell the message of Vedas. However because Vedas are oldest and first message of Ishwar, Allah or God, they are assumed to have been distorted by now. Thus even if one has to follow Vedas, one should follow Quran – this is what Islamic scholars would recommend to their most genuine intentions. Vedas being an intricate subject and being away from full grasp of Muslim scholars due to the fear of apostasy (that implies death sentence as per Zakir Naik) have not been properly understood by Muslim scholars. Nonetheless, we admire Zakir Naik and Abdullah Tariq and many other scholars for at least frankly admitting that they do consider Vedas to be divine. But their only concern is that they make not be available in same pristine format as gifted by Allah.
But we reviewed in "Why Vedas cannot be changed” factual points on how the Vedas have been preserved in a manner that despite being the oldest text of human history, it is available in same pristine format without any alteration. These Vedas form the foundation of the beliefs of the East popularly known as Hinduism. And hence Hinduism has a foundation that it un-shakeable. Given this new information that Muslim scholars did not have so far, now the only reason why they should follow Quran is that Quran is also unchangeable. And if that be so, even Hindus would have no objection in embracing Quran as another scripture worth respect. Afterall Hinduism has historically been so accommodating.
But the litmus test for this HAS TO BE that Quran is also unchangeable. If that not be so, the only way for a Muslim to be a genuine Muslim having admiration for Allah is to follow Vedas because Vedas alone are unchangeable. (We shall not dwell here on differences in Quran and Vedas. We are trying to find common grounds.)
So let us critically review if Quran is indeed unchangeable. If that be so, let us all submit to Quran as a great message for humankind. And follow it blindly without applying our own minds. Because how can we be smarter than Allah.
But if Quran is found to be defective after merely 1400 years of inception, when Vedas are available for millions of years in same format, then true Islam would imply surrendering to the Vedas. If modern Quran is found to be prone to defects, it means Vedas alone is the true Quran and as true Muslims we all should follow only the unchangeable word of Allah.
The miracle of Islam still holds valid then: That the Message of Allah remains unchanged for all human beings till end of the world and there would be no prophet taking birth who would bring any new message. The only minor point is that the message of Allah is the Vedas.
So let us review this miracle of Islam through this fact-based research article authored by Indian Agnostic.

The Divine, Perfect, Unchanging Word of God? You Decide!

Not long ago, billions of people strongly believed that the earth is flat. Any scientist opposing this factually wrong worldview was looked down upon with great contempt and few unfortunate ones may have been gleefully put to death.
The Church and the State would feel morally & religiously justified in putting to death any person going against their holy book. However, Mother Earth didn’t become flat because a billion+ people believed so or their holy book said so :)
The moral of the story is that even a billion+ people can be wrong and that blind belief cannot change a fact.
This article finds itself in a similar predicament. It has some facts to share and some rationale to put forward. The contents & facts of this article stand against the blind belief of a billion+ people. The author hopes that in this age of reason and rationality (?), the reader would not find it difficult to shun his/her belief in favor of the facts presented herein.
THE FACT IS THAT THE QURAN HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AND IS NOT AS PERFECT AS MANY BELIEVE.
IT’S ALSO ARGUED THROUGH FACTS THAT ISLAM IS QUITE LIKELY A BORROWED IDEOLOGY AND NOT DIVINE.
In short , ISLAM is a man made religion that borrowed much of its tenets from the Sabians, Christians, Jews, Pagans of its time and that as a book of guidance, the Quran, is an IMPERFECT , CONTRADICTORY later day collection of revelations which could NOT be preserved in its original form
While nothing more than commonsense is required to establish this fact, the power of blind belief cannot be underestimated. Why? Some people believe even today that the earth is flat because their holy scripture says so…despite the authoritative contrary evidence provided by science. If you are a flat earth believer this article is NOT for you.
This article is meant for those with an open mind receptive to facts and reason. I invite you to take this journey along with me. And believe me it’s important. It’s important because once you know the truth, you won’t mind reforming your religion and aligning it to our times rather than keeping yourself stuck in the beliefs and practices of 7th century Arabia. It’s important because you would not hate fellow human beings just because your holy book says so. It’s important because it’s important for humanity and religious co-existence…and most importantly because IT IS THE TRUTH.
So let’s start the journey. We’ll explore through archeological evidences, Sahih Hadits (all hyper linked to their original sources) and commonsense
  1. If evidence is established against our belief we should give up that belief.BeliefThe Quran has been preserved and not changed at all since the time it was revealed (as claimed in Quran 15:9)
    Counter Evidence
    (A) There isn’t a single copy of Quran available today that dates back to the time of prophet. The Tashkent Version (which by the way is 1/3rd of the modern day Quran) and the Sana Mosque manuscripts (only a fraction of some surahs) apart from being incomplete are dated 100+ years after the death of the prophet.
    (B) The earliest available partial manuscripts (Sana Mosque) reveal that the Quran verses of today are not exactly the same as the one’s mentioned in these manuscripts
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA2leL6f5KY
    This is FACTUAL EVIDENCE! And a fact doesn’t even need common sense to establish itself. A fact is a fact is a fact!
    (C) Though not a pure evidence, but it is important to note that many muslims claim(on account of hadit references) that the previous scriptures of God [the Torah, Injeel etc] have been corrupted.If we treat this claim as an evidence , it can be be rationally conculded that Allah is somehow vulnerable to corruption.If He failed before thrice in preserving his message, there is NO REASON to trust Him when he says that the fourth time he won’t fail ! He is thrice shy :(
    ConclusionSo the fact is that the  Quran did change with time and we don’t have a single copy available from the time of Muhammad which means that it was not preserved as Allah promised us.
  2. If evidence is established against our belief we should give up that belief.BeliefThe Quran is the word of God
    Counter Evidence
    (A) The Quran Verses 58:19-21(known as Satanic Verses) are attributed to Satan! Can you tell me one holy book that has Satan’s commands in it ? When you hold that quran in your hand you are holding at least three commands of Satan in it. Does that sound Divine?
    (B) The very first utterance in the Quran is Bismillah. Unfortunately, this verse itself is agreed by Islamic scholars to be a later day addition. (Read in detail here http://www.agniveer.com/bismillah )
    (C) Now let’s look at some sahih hadit accounts (click on the link to verify yourself) as to how Muhammad received revelations and more importantly from WHOM?
    Muhammad himself says bell is the instrument of Satan
    Sahih Bukhari Book 024, Number 5279: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.
    Muhammad telling us that he received revelation as the ringing of a bell!!
    Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Number 2: Narrated ‘Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah’s Apostle "O Allah’s Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?”Allah’s Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is (revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state passes ‘ off after I have grasped what is inspired
    (D) At least three Quranic verses were revealed by Umar and then by Allah
    Prophet? Umar revealing Quran
    Sahih Bukhari,  Book 8, Number 395
    Narrated ‘Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
    My Lord agreed with me in three things:
    1. I said,”O Allah’s Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka’ba)”. (2.125)
    2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.’ So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
    3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, ‘It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.’So this verse (the same as I had said)was revealed.” (66.5)
    (E)
     The words of God cannot be self-contradicting! But the Quran contradicts itself at many places indicating that it’s a manual endeavor and hence the contradictions
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoAwQoddFM
    Conclusion
    The Quran has been altered by humans (the introduction of Bismillah), and has Satanic verses in it. What’s more, the prophet has no qualms in accepting that he receives revelations as the ringing of the bell which is considered satanic by no other person than the prophet himself.
    Rather than being convinced of its divine origins, the facts actually point to a very unpleasant conclusion that the Quran may have been inspired by Satan :(To add to the irony, there’s at least one verse (Quran Verse number 66:5) that is Umar’s VERBATIMcontribution to the Quran…What more proof does one need that it’s not the word of God!
Well friends, that is more than enough evidence for a rational mind to conclude that the Quran was neither preserved nor is it perfect. The Question on its divinity is raised not by me but the authentic Islamic scriptures themselves. I hope that you would research this further on your own and arrive at the truth. The rational reader would have already arrived at the same conclusion. However, here are more facts to help you understand :
  1. Even if you leave the above evidences aside, do you know that Quranic verses were canceled/dropped out of the Quran !!
    Quranic verse canceled
    Sahih Bukhari Book 52, Number 69: Narrated Anas bin Malik: For thirty days Allah’s Apostle invoked Allah to curse those who had killed the companions of Bir-Mauna; he invoked evil upon the tribes of Ral, Dhakwan, and Usaiya who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. There was reveled about those who were killed at Bir-Mauna a Quranic Verse we used to recite, but it was canceled later on. The Verse was: "Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased”
    The sanequestions to ask here are
    • How can you call a book perfect and complete when it’s evident that revealed verses were cancelled from the book ?
    • You very well know that ‘stoning to death” is justified according to hadit sunnah ( Both Iran[Shia] and Saudi[Salafi,Sunni] schools endorse it).But this verse is missing from the Quran! do you still believe that the book is complete?
    • Do you seriously need more evidences after learning so much already? :(
  2. Anyways…even if you leave that aside, how can you deny the uncanny similarity of the teaching of zaid bin amr to Islam?..What! you dint know that? . You would be surprised to learn that Muhammad’s monotheism springs not from Allah but from Zaid bin Amr who himself learned about monotheism from a Christian scholar !!!
    Much of Islam has been inspired from Zaid bin Amr bin Nufail who became a hanif after learning about the same from Christians and Jews!
    Sahih Bukhari
    Book 58, Number 169
    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
    The Prophet met Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail in the bottom of (the valley of) Baldah before any Divine Inspiration came to the Prophet. A meal was presented to the Prophet but he refused to eat from it. (Then it was presented to Zaid) who said, "I do not eat anything which you slaughter in the name of your stone idols. I eat none but those things on which Allah’s Name has been mentioned at the time of slaughtering.” Zaid bin ‘Amr used to criticize the way Quraish used to slaughter their animals, and used to say, "Allah has created the sheep and He has sent the water for it from the sky, and He has grown the grass for it from the earth; yet you slaughter it in other than the Name of Allah. He used to say so, for he rejected that practice and considered it as something abominable. Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: Zaid bin ‘Amr bin Nufail went to Sham, inquiring about a true religion to follow. He met a Jewish religious scholar and asked him about their religion. He said, "I intend to embrace your religion, so tell me some thing about it.” The Jew said, "You will not embrace our religion unless you receive your share of Allah’s Anger.” Zaid said, "‘I do not run except from Allah’s Anger, and I will never bear a bit of it if I have the power to avoid it. Can you tell me of some other religion?” He said, "I do not know any other religion except the Hanif.” Zaid enquired, "What is Hanif?” He said, "Hanif is the religion of (the prophet) Abraham who was neither a Jew nor a Christian, and he used to worship None but Allah (Alone)”Then Zaid went out and met a Christian religious scholar and told him the same as before. The Christian said, "You will not embrace our religion unless you get a share of Allah’s Curse.” Zaid replied, "I do not run except from Allah’s Curse, and I will never bear any of Allah’s Curse and His Anger if I have the power to avoid them. Will you tell me of some other religion?” He replied, "I do not know any other religion except Hanif.” Zaid enquired, "What is Hanif?” He replied, Hanif is the religion of (the prophet) Abraham who was neither a Jew nor a Christian and he used to worship None but Allah (Alone)”When Zaid heard their Statement about (the religion of) Abraham, he left that place, and when he came out, he raised both his hands and said, "O Allah! I make You my Witness that I am on the religion of Abraham.” Narrated Asma bint Abi Bakr: I saw Zaid bin Amr bin Nufail standing with his back against the Ka’ba and saying, "O people of Quraish! By Allah, none amongst you is on the religion of Abraham except me.” He used to preserve the lives of little girls: If somebody wanted to kill his daughter he would say to him, "Do not kill her for I will feed her on your behalf.” So he would take her, and when she grew up nicely, he would say to her father, "Now if you want her, I will give her to you, and if you wish, I will feed her on your behalf.”
    Wouldn’t you ponder over these :
    • Islam has an uncanny similarity to the teachings of Zaid of whom Muhammad was pretty much influenced. Zaid himself learned about this from the Christians and the Jews
    • Belief in Abraham as a hanif, Slaughtering of animals in the name of Allah, protecting the girl child was already a religion of Zaid the Hanif.Why did Muhammad created Islam out of it?
  3. Even if you leave that aside, it’s a fact  that the people of the book(Jews and Christians) used to share their teachings with the Arabs in Arabic. The bible(injeel) and Torah was pretty much known to Arabs in Muhammad’s time.
    Jews taught Torah in Arabic to the Muslims in Muhammad’s time
    Sahih Bukhari
    Book 92, Number 460
    Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah’s Apostle said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.
    Now the questions to ask are :
    • what makes you believe that Muhammad didn’t know about the stories of the Torah and the Bible when his fellow Arabs knew about these stories themselves?..he was illiterate ..but i am sure you’d agree that he was not deaf ..right?
    • When there is all the proof that Muhammad had access to Jewish and Christian teachings as well as inspiration from Zaid the hanif ..what makes you so sure that he was divinely inspired ..specially when the only proof of his prophet hood was he himself and no body else ?
  4. Even if you leave the above evidences aside, can you believe that a PERFECT book does not order the chapters in any sane way? ..The First Revelation of the god of Quran appears in the 96 Sura (chapter)!! The absurdity does not stop here, the last verse revealed is not authoritatively agreed upon!! Apologists Muslims try to play this down by saying that the mushaf(written book) is different than the Quran(revelation) ..My question is plain and simple..Why is the perfect book of God not perfectly organized? Doesn’t it indicate that the collection of Quran was not divinely ordained?
  5. Even you leave the above arguments aside, how perfect would you call a God that declares today that  ”today I have perfected your religion for you”(Quran 5:3) but still continues with his revelations tommorow ? Can you forgive the imperfection of such a God that has more to say after he has perfected his religion?
    Even after declaring in Quran 5:3 that He has perfected his religion, Allah found out that his religion was not so perfect.So he kept revealing more verses .The last one as per Sahih Muslim is listed below for verification of the claim
    Kalala Sahih Muslim,Book 011, Number 3939:
    "Al-Bara’ (Allah be pleased with him) reported that the last verse revealed in the Holy Qur’an is:” They ask thee for a religious verdict; say: Allah gives you a religious verdict about Kalala (the person who has neither parents nor children)” (iv 177).” [Unfortunately there is no 177th verse in new Quran! The one given in this Hadith is found at 176th place.]
    Now the questions to ask are:
    • What made Allah declare prematurely that he has completed the religion when he had a lot many other things to reveal?
    • Most Importantly, If the God of Quran is an incremental revealer, why should one believe that he perfected his religion in the 7th century arabia?
  6. Even if you leave that aside, do you know that the prophet never ordered the compilation of the Quran ? that the collection of Quran was ordered by Caliphs and not the prophet? that the collector of Quran found this task to be more difficult than moving mountains? that the Quran was compiled from bones,leaves, hides and the hearts of believers!! ? ..still you believe that with all this hodge podge ..the Quran surely remained uncorrupted and complete!!!?
    here’s the Sahih Hadit that shows how it all started
    Click here to read from source
    Sahih Bukhari, Book 60, Number 201: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari: who was one of those who used to write the Divine Revelation: Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Qurra’ were killed). ‘ Umar was present with Abu Bakr who said, ‘Umar has come to me and said, The people have suffered heavy casualties on the day of (the battle of) Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among the Qurra’ (those who know the Qur’an by heart) at othe r battle-fields, whereby a large part of the Qur’an may be lost, unless you collect it. And I am of the opinion that you should collect the Qur’an.” Abu Bakr added, "I said to ‘Umar, ‘How can I do something which Allah’s Apostle has not done?’ ‘Umar said (to me), ‘By Allah, it is (really) a good thing.’ So ‘Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal, till Allah opened my bosom for it and I had the same opinion as ‘Umar.” (Zaid bin Thabit added:) Umar was sitting with him (Abu Bakr) and was not speaking. me). "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness): and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah’s Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur’an and collect it (in one manuscript). ” By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Qur’an. I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?” Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, it is (really) a good thing. So I kept on arguing with him about it till Allah opened my bosom for that which He had opened the bosoms of Abu Bakr and Umar. So I started locating Quranic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart). I found with Khuzaima two Verses of Surat-at-Tauba which I had not found with anybody else, (and they were):– "Verily there has come to you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty He (Muhammad) is ardently anxious over you (to be rightly guided)” (9.128) The manuscript on which the Quran was collected, remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him, and then with ‘Umar till Allah took him unto Him, and finally it remained with Hafsa, Umar’s daughter.
    The questions that any sane person would ask are
    • Were Abu Bakr and Umar prophets who were divinely inspired to do what the prophet Muhammad himself didn’t do
    • How sure can one be that the whole of Quran would have been collected when one had to collect it from bones and parchments and the memories of ordinary men?
      When Allah’s prophet himself used to forget Quranic Verses then how can an ordinary man’s memory be trusted in writing the book
      "Sahih Bukhari Book 61, Number 558: Narrated Aisha: Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.”
    • If the correctness of the verses was left to the judgment of Zaid    and other people …is there any doubt that the validation of Quran was a human exercise rather than a divine exercise under the guidance of a live prophet and hence open to all kind of omissions and errors
7. The most critical element for practicing Islam, Shahada does not come as single line anywhere in Quran. It has been deliberately created by picking and choosing two different lines from different places! In this manner anyone can join any two phrases from different parts of the Quran and prove anything!
8. Another question arises, why does not at all Quran describe the methods of prayers, no of prayers per day, etc? When these elementary information cant be found in Quran how can it be called as complete? Worship, being the most important thing in Islam (since we were created only to worship Allah), should have been described in Quran in such a manner that no ambiguity could arise regarding number and types of prayers. But as we know, there is dispute among the scholars of not only from different sects of Islam but within one sect too regarding number of prayers per day, some say its five times and some say its three!
9. It is a well known fact that the compiler of Quran, Uthman was murdered at the time when he was reciting from it. Aisha and her brother were amongst the rebels against Uthman. Now question comes, if Aisha had malign motives for Uthman and Uthman was right, how can her narrations of Hadith be taken seriously and truthful, which are the bases for most of the verses of Quran? If Uthman was wrong and Aisha was right, how can the book Quran, which was compiled by him be assumed to be free from errors when its compiler was later found to be wrong?
10. Hadith of goat eating some verses of Quran: Sunan Ibn Maja, Volume 2, Page 39, Published from Karachi-
Ayesha: "When the verses "Rajm” [Stoning] and ayah "Rezah Kabir” descended, they were written on a piece of paper and kept under my pillow. Following the demise of Prophet Muhammad (S) a goat ate the piece of paper while we were mourning.” [http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?18179-Hadiths-that-Say-Quran-is-Missing-Lost].
Every sane person would have known by now that how false the claims of Mullahs (who are misguiding the masses) regarding the preservation of Quran are.
11.  Shaia’s claim of 17000 verses in Quran: It is from Shia sahih hadith
Kulayni. "Usool al-Kafy” vol. 2, Kitaab: Fadlul-Qur’an, narration # 28:
"Ali b. al-Hakam from Hishaam b. Salim from Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Verily, the Qur’an which Gibril [as] came up with to Muhammad [saw] is 17,000 verses”.
This is yet another evidence that how a significant portion of Muslims refuses to believe the current Quran to be ultimate. Note that Vedas have around 20000 verses, and if you remove verses that occur with similar meanings in same language, the number is closer. Does it mean Muhammad was actually talking of Vedas. (There were popular poems in Arab literature glorifying Vedas which were written before Muhammad was born. And while he may not have access to Vedas directly, he may have known that actual book of Ishwar has around 17000 unique verses.)
And now my friend, if you have left all of these facts and observations aside, this article was never meant for you in the first place .The minds open to reason and facts can easily see from above that Islam is not perfect(like any other religion) nor are it’s books free of corruption or external influence.
Friend, the intention of the article is not to downplay the religion, but to share with you the facts which can embolden your resolve to bring the much needed and much delayed reforms in Islam. Christianity is reforming and so is Hinduism or any other religion. It’s time for Islam to do the same and
  • Challenge those hate filled verses that divide humanity and get rid of them
  • Challenge the anti-humanity Hadits that sanction violence, gender bias and defame the prophet and bring/carve out the spiritual side of Islam for the world
Wake up and wake others. Let us arrive at least at a stage where peaceful religious co-existence is not a one-way slogan. And better still accept Vedas that if for entire humanity, for all times, for all geographies and the only message of Allah that never changes.


8 comments:

  1. Muslim religion is a symbol of satanism,terrorism.They try to rule allover the world and convert the non-Muslims into Islam. Muslim spread their terror on the non-Muslims. So Muslims are not acceptable.

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  2. Non-muslims especially hindus bring hatred and disrespect to women and fellow hindus.

    SC/ST, OBC, HARIJANS are all hindus, they are badly treated.
    Women get no respect in hindu religion. In mahabharatha wife was offered in GAMBLING, a single wife was shared among 5 men.

    Mahabharatha was founght between hindu relatives.

    KRISHNA enjoyed with gopis, how shameful.

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  3. //Anonymous said...

    Non-muslims especially hindus bring hatred and disrespect to women and fellow hindus.

    SC/ST, OBC, HARIJANS are all hindus, they are badly treated.
    Women get no respect in hindu religion. In mahabharatha wife was offered in GAMBLING, a single wife was shared among 5 men.

    Mahabharatha was founght between hindu relatives.

    KRISHNA enjoyed with gopis, how shameful.//

    61% quran deals about spreading Venom about Non muslims.

    Check the following verses of quran to know the real love of that calt Islam

    Quran 5.51
    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

    . O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends and allies (in their Judaism and Christianity, and against the believers). Some among them are friends and allies to some others. Whoever among you takes them for friends and allies (in their Judaism and Christianity and against the believers) will eventually become one of them (and be counted among them in the Hereafter). Surely God does not guide such wrongdoers.Quran 4.144

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَتُرِيدُونَ أَن تَجْعَلُواْ لِلّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ سُلْطَاناً مُّبِيناً

    144. O you who believe! Do not take the unbelievers for guardians and confidants in preference to the believers; or do you want to offer God a manifest proof against yourselves (of being hypocrites, and so incur His punishment)?
    9.5

    Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Check If you dont give Zakat you will be killed
    If you dont give salat you will be killed
    or muslims will kill you where ever they find you like they slaugtered hindus during Islamic conquest of India.Sura al Taubah 29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    Have you any doubt now Islam is an Intolerant BARBARIC CALT??????????????????????????/

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  4. Satan = Allah. Hence proved12/19/2011 07:03:00 AM

    /// Non-muslims especially hindus bring hatred and disrespect to women and fellow hindus. ///

    After this, its all jokes mentioned. Now, read: Allauddin Khilji invaded India. He killed then King of modern day Rajasthan. He wanted to marry the queen. She burnt herself alive with her husband. Khilji saw this a great opportunity to defame India. He compulsorized so called Sati pratha. After that, many Muslims came into India and very beautifully ensured that Sati pratha is implemented. They made false claims that scriptures are against women.

    Caste system is non Vedic. It is Muslims who have divided themselves under 73 sects::: 1 of them goes to heaven and all others enter hell. They ensured that caste system prevails wherever they went. Vedas do mention caste related words but those are purely action based. Brahman - One who knows that almighty. Kshatriya - One who rules a nation righteously OR fights against evil. Vaishya - one who trades and makes goods available. Shudra - having ill thinking towards others. Shudras are told to serve others to safeguard from evil effect. YajurVeda 32.16 shows that everyone has all 4 castes. 18.48 speaks on compassion to the world regardless of caste based barrier. Bhagwad Gita 18th chapter shows true meaning of caste and states that it is all action oriented.

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  5. Satan = Allah. Hence proved12/19/2011 07:04:00 AM

    /// In mahabharatha wife was offered in GAMBLING, a single wife was shared among 5 men. Mahabharatha was founght between hindu relatives. KRISHNA enjoyed with gopis, how shameful. ///

    It seems that you don't know Mahabharata at all. Draupadi was married to Arjuna only. Bhima said - O mother! Ajuna brought a gift for you. Kunti did not wanted any gift so just without seeing she said - keep it among yourselves only. When she came to know the truth - she scolded Bhima for comparing a lady with a mere gift. She scolded herself too for judging without knowing the truth. Pandavas married her as they did not wanted Kunti's words to go in vain.

    Regarding Gambling, Yuddhisthir offered Draupadi. But he was drunk - Alcohol was mixed in water which he took. Yuddhisthir was too kind to trust evil minded Shakuni who said it is juice. Yuddhisthir was not in his control so he kept offering everything - his men, his kingdom, his brothers, Draupadi and even himself. The gambling was totally biased. Don't you realize that Yuddhisthir was not in his control? No sensible person will offer himself in gambling ever. Yuddhisthir was Dharmaraj but he had weakness of gambling habit.

    The Mahabharata was war of Dharma. It contains practical tips. Kauravas were evil minded and hence need to be killed with similar means. Mahabharata is fight between 2 parties: One who follow truth and one who doesn't. Those who did not follow the truth were against those who did. There were attempts to poison Bhima and burn Pandavas - Laaxagraha. Somehow, Pandavas were safe - that's a different thing. People say that Mahabharata is illegal fight. Old Muslim propaganda - insult all those whom you like to. Such jokers don't know that Krishna was sent as messenger of peace. Alas! he failed to convince Duryodhan.

    Krishna's act with Gopis is just an adulteration. Mohammed did sex with 9 year old girl - he himself being 53 year old. What you expect his followers to be? They modified that incident of Krishna to defame his spirit. Krishna lived with Gopis but that was just a common meeting between friends. Looking at it with sexual sight indicates that you are pervert. As Mohammed was, so is his followers. Chanakya said - यथा राजा तथा प्रजा ।

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  6. Satan = Allah. Hence proved12/19/2011 07:07:00 AM

    Muslim friend (your name being Anonymous) - Allah sanctioned 4 wives but Mohammed himself had 11. Justify that. Mohammed was poisoned by his own wife. Justify this. Mohammed ordered death of many innocents just because they opposed his few stupid rules. Justify this. Mohammed supported wars as he gained livelihood only from war booty. One fifth of that was given to Allah. Allah is greedy. Justify this. Allah has a book Lohe Mehfooz under his chair. So, Allah has weak memory. Justify this. This is 1st and last creation - Allah was idle before this and will again become idle after the day of judgement. Justify this. Allah is only creator. The symbol of evil "Shaitaan" was created by Allah. Allah is imperfect. Justify this. In Islam heaven - jannat, everybody will be given 72 virgins. Jannat is nothing more than a brothel. Justify this. This is only 1% of actual blunders in Quran. Answer this much first, any non Muslim will post remaining 99% then.

    MY QUESTION TO ALL NON MUSLIMS - is Islam actually a religion of peace ??? India never invaded any country in past 10,000 years of history. Indian messengers went everywhere and established brotherhood everywhere. Yet, Indians don't say - we are region of peace. And these idiots call themselves religion of peace. HAHAHA.

    ALL NON MUSLIMS, PLEASE DO THIS: First, THANK GOD that you aren't a Muslim. Then expose the truth of this stupid cult. Relax! Don't bother even if these idiots claim that Non Muslims will go to hell. By their logic - all the scientists, management GURUs, scholars, all other valuable persons shall enter hell. They aren't Muslims. Arab mathematicians gave the number system to Europe (which they admit that was Indian idea - however, let's assume them authentic because no other scientist Arab generated.) died 4 centuries before Quran's arrival. Since they did not know Quran, they can't follow its teaching. Muslims say that Quran is scientific. I defy these people to tell the names of at least 100 scientists who were followers of Quran. Let's see if any Muslim can reply.

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  7. Hindu Revolution Sir,

    Please see this!

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    Now, we should do something.

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  8. 32 sins of mohammad ?? Paigambar (was he)
    . I ordered the veiling women, which was never ordered by God
    2. I ordained polygamy, which was not God’s plan
    3. I also conceived the special dispensation for me to marry any woman I wished
    4. I made many pronouncements that were driven by my lust for women
    5. I even captured and raped Jewish married women and kept them in my harem
    6. I determined that a woman’s testimony only counted as half that of a man
    7. I ordained that men could beat their women if they were disobedient
    8. I began attacking caravans (at Nakhla) against God’s wishes
    9. I ordered the killing of poets who criticized me
    10. I made God angry by refusing to make peace with Jews and Christians
    11. I authorized and participated in the beheading of 900 Jewish men
    12. I made a law authorizing the murder of non-believers, against God’s will
    13. I called Jews “rats” even though they were descendants of Abraham
    14. I, at the end of my life, refused God’s request that I clean up the Quran of all the corrupt laws I had written into it
    15. I refused God’s request that I divorce myself from all the women except Aisha
    16. I refused God’s request that I go to Rome and unite with the Christian church
    17. I wanted my religion to wipe out all other religions
    18. I refused God’s request to work towards uniting Islam with Judaism and Christianity, because I did not like it
    19. I ordained that Muslim men could have up to four wives so the Muslim population would increase quickly
    20. I saw God’s form but did not witness this to my followers
    21. I refused to partner with Jesus because I wanted my own religion
    22. I left Archangel Gabriel with no choice but to form a new religion
    23. I ignored the words of God transmitted through Archangel Gabriel
    24. I refused God’s request to edit out my own passages in the Quran
    25. I acknowledge responsibility for the hostility between Israel and Palestine to this day
    26. I exiled Jewish tribes from their land without sympathy or compassion
    27. I refused God’s request that I love the Jewish people as I loved my own family members
    28. I ordered the killing of all other prophets so that I would be the last prophet
    29. I extracted draconian commands from the Old Testament and old Arabian laws, despite signs from heaven calling on me to have more compassion
    30. I authorized men to divorce their wives simply by saying “I divorce you” three times
    31. I forbade anyone to marry my widows because I was afraid they would abandon me in the spiritual world
    32. I knew the promise of virgins in Paradise for martyrs was valid only during my lifetime, but I never informed my followers of this limitation.
    Of course, these were only the sins that Muhammad actually acknowledged in the book. There are many more, like raping nine year old Aisha or extorting jizyah from non-Muslims, that could be added to the list. Still, the thirty-two admissions put this Prophet in a class – all by himself.

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