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Thursday, March 24, 2011

Rebuttul To The Article- The Queen-Horse Sex Ritual of the Asvamedha Yajna


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The asvamedha yajna was the grand horse sacrifice which Aryan (Hindu) kings conducted to celebrate their supremacy and for the prosperity & fertility of their kingdoms. The queen-horse copulation ritual was sometimes conducted during this sacred rite; the relevant Hindu scriptural quotes are presented below.
I. The sexual ritual of the asvamedha yajna quoted from the Vedas (Satapatha Brahmana). II. Lord Rama's mom & co-moms participate in the queen-horse sexual ritual of the asvamedha in the Valmiki Ramayana. I. The sexual ritual of the asvamedha yajna quoted from the Vedas. The priests supervising the asvamedha: the officiant (adhvaryu), overseer (brahman), cantor (udgatri) and the invoker (hotri). The king's wives which participate in the queen-horse copulation ceremony of the asvamedha: the chief wife (mahishi), favourite wife, rejected wife and the fourth wife. The Satapatha Brahmana, quoted below, offers clear instructions on how the queen-horse copulation ritual of the asvamedha is to be conducted; the king's chief wife (the mahishi) is to copulate with the carcass of the horse while the priests and all the participants curse each other in degenerate language: "A cloth, an upper cloth, and gold is what they spread out for the horse, and on that they 'quiet' him. When the sacrificial animals have been 'quieted', the (king's) wives come up with water for washing the feet — four wives, and a maiden as the fifth, and four hundred women attendants. When the water for washing the feet is ready, they make the chief queen (Mahishi) lie down next to the horse, and they cover the two of them up with the upper cloth as they say the verse, 'Let the two of us cover ourselves in the world of heaven', for the world of heaven is where they 'quiet' the sacrificial animal. Then they draw out the penis of the horse and place it in the vagina of the chief queen, while she says, 'May the vigorous virile male, the layer of seed, lay the seed'; this she says for sexual intercourse. While they are lying there, the sacrificer insults the horse by saying, 'Lift up her thighs and put it in her rectum.' No one insults (the sacrificer) back, lest there should be someone to act as a rival against the sacrificer. The officiant (Adhvaryu) then insults the maiden: 'Hey, maiden, hey, maiden, the little female bird …' and she insults him back: 'Hey, officiant, hey, officiant, that little bird….' And then the overseer (Brahman) insults the chief queen: 'Hey, chief queen, hey, chief queen, your mother and father climb to the top of a tree….' She has as her attendants a hundred daughters of kings; they insult the overseer in return: 'Hey, overseer, hey, overseer, your mother and your father play in the top of a tree….' Then the cantor (Udgatri) insults the king's favourite wife: 'Hey, favourite, hey, favourite wife, raise her up erect….' She has as her attendants a hundred royal women; they insult the cantor in return: 'Hey, cantor, hey, cantor, raise him up erect….' Then the invoker (Hotri) insults the rejected wife: 'Hey, rejected wife, hey, rejected wife, when inside her tight crack….' She has as her attendants a hundred daughters of bards and village headmen; they insult the invoker in return: 'Hey, invoker, hey, invoker, when the gods see that miserable penis….' Then the carver (Kshatri) insults the fourth wife: 'Hey, fourth wife, hey, fourth wife, when the deer eats the barley, (the farmer) does not hope to nourish the animal….' She has as her attendants a hundred daughters of carvers and charioteers; they insult the carver in return: 'Hey, carver, hey, carver, when the deer eats the barley, (the farmer) does not hope to nourish the animal….' These insulting speeches are for all kinds of attainment, for through the horse sacrifice all desires are achieved. Thinking, 'With all kinds of speech we will achieve all kinds of desires', they make the chief queen get up. Then the women walk back the way they came, and the others utter at the end a sweet-smelling verse, the verse that begins, 'I praise Dadhikravan.' For the life-span and the gods go out of those who speak impure speech in the sacrifice. Thus they purify their speech to keep the gods from going out of the sacrifice." – Satapatha Brahmana 13:5:2:1-10. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Textual Sources for the Study of Hinduism. Pub.: University of Chicago Press. ISBN 0-226-61847-1. pp.16-17]. II. Lord Rama's mom & co-moms participate in the queen-horse sexual ritual of the asvamedha in the Valmiki Ramayana. King Dasaratha: Lord Rama's father. Kausalya: Rama's mom. Kaikeyi & Sumitra: Rama's co-moms. To ensure the birth of sons, King Dasaratha conducted both the asvamedha and the putrakamesti yajnas. The following quote from the Valmiki Ramayana details the first of the two sacrifices that King Dasaratha conducted — the asvamedha yajna, in particular the queen-horse sexual portion of the sacrifice. Although all three of King Dasaratha's wives were united with the carcass of the horse, Rama's mom Kausalya was the one who had the honor of spending a whole night with the dead animal's genitals plugged in her vagina: "The prescribed victims — snakes, birds, the horse, and aquatic animals — were bound at the place of immolation; each was dedicated to a specific divinity as is set forth in the ritual texts. The priests then bound them all to the posts in the manner set forth in the ritual texts. Three hundred beasts in addition to Dasaratha's jewel of a horse were bound there to the sacrificial posts. Kausalya walked reverently all around the horse and then with the greatest joy cut it with three knives. Her mind unwavering in her desire for righteousness, Kausalya passed one night with the horse. The priests — the hotr, the adhvaryu, and the udgatr — saw to it that the second and the juniormost of the king's wives, as well as his chief queen, were united with the horse. Then the officiating priest, who was extremely adept and held his senses in check, removed the fat of the horse and cooked it in the manner prescribed in the ritual texts. At the proper time and in accordance with the ritual prescriptions, the lord of men then sniffed the fragrance of the smoking fat, thereby freeing himself from sin. Then, acting in unison, the sixteen brahman officiating priests threw the limbs of the horse into the fire, in accordance with the ritual injunctions. In other sacrifices, the oblation is offered upon branches of the plaksa tree, but in the Horse Sacrifice alone the apportionment of the victim is made on a bed of reeds. The Horse Sacrifice is known as the Three-Day Rite; for both the kalpasutra and the brahmanas refer to the Horse Sacrifice as a rite lasting for three days." – Ramayana 1:13:24-33. [Goldman, Robert P. The Ramayana of Valmiki: an Epic of Ancient India. Balakanda (vol. 1). Pub.: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-06561-6. pp.151-152].
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Rebuttul by Apolloreach:


To Steve (the author of this post):
Had you tied back waht you posted to atleast one verse in the Rig Veda I’d have been glad. There are 13 verses in Rig Veda 1/163 that deal with Aswamedha Yajna.
Before I deep dive,atleast those Hindus that may not know what yajna means need to know that the word means sacrifice. Sacrifice downot mean slaughter of horse or man,as many ignorant people assume but it is symbolic. No hors gets killed or nobody has sex with animals,as Steve portrayed it.
Rig Veda 10/130 establishes the base of what a sacrifice is & Atharvana Veda 7/5 explains how this universe is the result of God’s sacrifice (tying back to Purusha Sukta).
Where Aswamedha yajna is concerned,horse is a mere external symbol.The horse of the ashvamedha is homologized in a grandiose fashion with the sun and with a primordial cosmic horse that represents the entire universe. The hymns will have both metaphorical and factual allusions, metaphorical with reference to the sun (this horse is a primordial horse) and factual with reference to the actual sacrifice.
The same idea and the conception of horse as the universe, is explained in detail in chapter 1 of Brihadaranyak Upanishad. The horse,in the Vedas is force of conciousness and cow is the light of conciousness.
To refute Steve,let me first post the Rig Vedic verses and then deal with Ramayan and his charge that queens had sex with the horse.
Here are the Rige vedic hymns on Aswamedha Yajna. I am curious where these verses talk aboy someone having sex with the horse.
Rig Veda 1/163
1.How worthy of telling and how superb your birth,
O Steed, when first you whinnied, on seeing the light,
as you rose from the ocean of sea or of space
with your eagle wings and limbs of swift gazelle.
2. This Steed, the gift of Death, Trita has harnessed,
while Indra was the first of all to mount him,
the Gandharva first to grasp in his hands the reins.
From the substance of the Sun, O Gods, you fashioned this Steed.
3. You, O Steed, are Death, you the Sun;
you by a secret decree are Trita;
by only a little are you distinguished from Soma.
You have, they say, three connections in heaven.
4. In heaven, they say, you have three connections,
three in the waters and three within the ocean.
You resemble, O Steed, the Lord of the Waters,
for there, they say, is your highest birthplace.
5. Here, Racehorse, are your haunts for bathing;
here are the traces of your champion hooves.
Here I have seen the blessed reins that guide you,
which those who guard Cosmic Order cherish.
6. Your innermost self I have perceived in spirit,
a Bird from heaven who directs his course on high.
I have seen you rearing your winged head and advancing
by dust-free paths, fair and easy to travel.
7. There I have seen your exalted form seeking
to obtain food in the track of the Cow.
When mortal man approaches you for enjoyment,
the great devourer of plants has awakened.
8. Behind you, O Horse, come a chariot, the hero,
an offering of cows, and a troupe of fair maidens.
Desirous of your friendship, many follow.
With splendid courage the Gods have endowed you.
9. His horns are of gold, his feet of iron;
he is fleet as thought and swifter than Indra.
The Gods are gathered for this sacred meal, offered
to the one who first of all mounted this Stallion.
10. Like swans, the celestial coursers form a line
when they, the steeds, reach the heavenly arena,
the end of their lengthened row being motionless,
while those in the center still proceed.
11. Your body, O Steed, flies as with wings;
your spirit moves quickly like the wind.
Your horns are found in sundry places,
advancing in the forests with a jumping motion.
12. The fleet-footed Steed, his mind recollected
and thoughts directed godward, advances
to the place of sacrifice. A ram of his kindred
is led before; next come sages and minstrels.
13. The Steed has attained the abode supreme.
He has gone to the place of his Father and Mother.
May he find a warm welcome today among the Gods
and thus win good gifts for him who offers!
Let us hang on to the idea exverse 11 and flip to Ramayan.
Valmiki Ramayan/Book 1/Bala Kanda/Sarga 14:
Verse 33: kausalyaa tam hayam tatra paricarya sama.ntataH |kR^ipaaNaiH vishashaasaH enam tribhiH paramayaa mudaa ||
With great delight coming on her Queen Kausalya reverently made circumambulations to the horse, and “symbolically” killed the horse with three knives.
Verse 34: patatriNaa tadaa saardham susthitena ca cetasaa |avasat rajaniim ekaam kausalyaa dharma kaamyayaa
Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly resided one night with that horse that flew away like a bird.
The above verse has two key points for our discussion.
1) This ties us back to the verse 11 of Rig Veda 1/163
2) The Ramayan verse states that Kausalya resided with the horse disconcertedly to attain the results of the ritual. This does not mean that she had sex with the horse. Where vedic rituals are concerned, the burnt up ash/smearing or holy water used in the ritual etc are retained in a home for a few days as a symbolic gesture of resukts being bestowed upon the perforer of the ritual. This is what it means when Kausalya spent a night with the horse.Unless someone knows these rituals, only asinine understanding can be expected. And she being disconcerted is not about sex but someone that is not used to rearing a horse is obviously gonna be disconcerted about the animal being around for a period of time.
Steve,please spend time to read the Valmiki’s Ramayan,Rig Vedic Hymns on Aswamedha & the first chapter of the Brihadaranyak Upanishad in their entirety before making asinine statements.
The bottomline: Your entire premise on an incorrect interpretation of Aswamedha Yajna stands decimated.


And now to Sathapatha Brahmana.
I am sorry to say this Steve but either your are ignirant about what SB says about Aswamedha Yajna or you are wilifully overlooking what is stated.
Sathapatha Brahmana/13/1/5 – 13/6/2 deal with the entire execution of Aswamedha Yajna. Here you will clearly see how the features of the horse are likened to the various powers or aspects of the Supreme Brahman.
Nowhere in any of this verses is it mentioned about a lady having sex with the horse. Even in the bunch of verses you claimed belong to SB 13/5/2/1-23, nowhere are you magic words like “reject” or “insult” can be seen.
Please stop spinning yur own words Steve. Goodluck. I am not a fan of Max Mueller but still I urge you to read all the chapters on Aswamedha,I mentioned above from his translations.
So this closes the loop on your dishonesty,Steve. There is no other way to put it across. Thanks.

8 comments:

  1. Do not tell lies to hide the ugliness.

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    1. Shut your dirty mouth!

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  2. blogger is telling truth of ashwamedh ygnya..........muslim websites are showing their ugly mind by changing verses and meaning of hindu scriptures........on one side they claims all hindu history never happened.....and when they find chance to defame hindus with history they change their claims and opinions..

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  3. thanks for rebutting that nonsense..

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  4. Hindu writings from their text advocating rape, sexism, and just plain savagery.

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    In the Brhadārankyaka Upanishad scripture(advocating rape):Surely, a woman who has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period is the most auspicious of women. When she has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period, therefore, one should approach that splendid woman and invite her to have sex. Should she refuse to consent, he should bribe her. If she still refuses, he should beat her with a stick or with his fists and overpower her, saying: “I take away the splendor from you with my virility and splendor (6.4.9,21).
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    In Dharmasastra, which is a Hindu moral and legal text(all women are whores):Good looks do not matter to them, nor do they care about youth; 'A man!' they say, and enjoy sex with him, whether he is good-looking or ugly. By running after men like whores, by their fickle minds, and by their naturallack of affection these women are unfaithful to their husbands even when they are zealously guarded here. Knowing that their very own nature is like this, as it was born at the creation by the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati), a man should make the utmost effort to guard them. The bed and the seat, jewellery, lust, anger, crookedness, a malicious nature, and bad conduct are what Manu assigned to women. There is no ritual with Vedic verses for women; this is a firmly established point of law. For women, who have no virile strength, and no Vedic verses, are falsehood; this is well established. Manusmrti 9:14-18.
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    In Dharmasastra(women need to be kept under control)Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence. -- Manusmrti 9:2-4.
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    In the Vedas:"Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' -- Rig Veda 8:33:17.
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    In the Purunas(Hindu Gods Rape Gautama's wife)Formerly the gods lusted for Gautama's wife and raped her, for their wits were destroyed by lust. Then they were terrified and went to the sage Durvasas [an incarnation of Siva], who said, 'I will remove all your defilements with the Satarudriya Mantra [an ancient Saiva prayer].' Then he gave them ashes which they smeared upon their bodies, and their sins were shaken off. --

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    1. Thanks for highlighting ...there are innumerable good things in hindhism.
      Hindus follows which is opt to the time unlike guys from a particular religion who follows blindly rules set by barbarian in 7th century.

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    2. 'A man!' they say, and enjoy sex with him, whether he is good-looking or ugly. By running after men like whores, by their fickle minds, and by their naturallack of affection these women are unfaithful to their husbands even when they are zealously guarded here. Knowing that their very own nature is like this, as it was born at the creation by the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati), a man should make the utmost effort to guard them. The bed and the seat, jewellery, lust, anger, crookedness, a malicious nature, and bad conduct are what Manu assigned to women. There is no ritual with Vedic verses for women; this is a firmly established point of law. For women, who have no virile strength, and no Vedic verses, are falsehood; this is well established.

      try reading the first part. the "women" here are refering to call girls and prostitutes,not women of good character. such women are not to be encouraged of attended.

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  5. Not even In Hinduism, all Holy Books are subjected to misinterpretations, misconceptions and misunderstandings. We are not stupid to fight on these issues, as we are well aware that " Satyameva Jayate!!" Truth alone Prevails!!..

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